Re: HD Problem:
Posted: 11 Dec 2010, 17:24
"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
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> Paul wrote:
>> glee wrote:
>>> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:idv24k$o8h$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Navyguy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I should also relate that since Spybot doesnt seem to be
>>>>> working normally with the passive immunization today I downloaded
>>>>> Spywareblaster but found that it won't let me download updates and
>>>>> gave me this message:
>>>>>
>>>>> The server may be temporarily unavailable or there may be a
>>>>> conflict
>>>>> with firewall (Windows) software installed on your pc. The update
>>>>> file
>>>>> may have gotten corrupted during download.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried several times at different times of the day with the same
>>>>> message.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Did you see my posting a while back, where I gave a possible
>>>> recipe for using the Kaspersky offline scanner (I came up with a
>>>> method to defeat the EULA screen). Any time you find AV software
>>>> is not able to get updates over the Internet, that means
>>>> you're infected. (Or for that matter, lots of other
>>>> strange behaviors, can have the same root cause.)
>>>>
>>>> (The section at the bottom, if your keyboard is working...)
>>>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsof ... ode=source
>>>>
>>>
>>> Or, far simpler, he could try a different offline AV disc. His Dell
>>> network adapter is likely causing the freeze he's getting with
>>> Kaspersky...it's a fairly well know issue with older Dells and some
>>> Linux bootable AV discs, such as Avira and Kaspersky. I've had the
>>> best luck in such situations, using the BitDefender rescue disc
>>> instead:
>>> http://download.bitdefender.com/rescue_cd/
>>>
>>> Using The BitDefender Rescue Cd -
>>> http://forum.bitdefender.com/index.php? ... opic=16602
>>>
>
> I got the old version of BitDefender working this morning.
> You change the boot line to the following, to prevent
> input freeze-up in VPC 2007 (and perhaps on some real
> systems too).
>
> knoppix i8042.noloop
>
> Once in there, open a Terminal window and run
>
> /usr/sbin/network-setup
>
> The nice thing about that menu based thing, is you
> have more options than just DHCP over ethernet. There is
> even some kind of option for PPP over a modem.
>
> Due to the age of that CD, it claimed the "free license" had
> expired. But for the first time, I got it to fire up and
> accept input.
>
> BitDefenderRescueCD_v2.0.0_3_08_2009.iso
>
> *******
>
> The Aug 2010 version of BitDefender booted OK, and didn't need a
> custom boot line. It connected to the network OK, and downloaded
> about 18MB of files or so (I wasn't watching it that carefully).
>
> In VPC2007, the screen ended up too small, and I needed to use a
> custom xorg.conf , kill the "X" server process, drop to single
> user terminal, issue "startx", and then I had a 1152x864 sized
> virtual window for the scanner to run. The key ingredients of
> a custom xorg.conf (for VPC 2007) are things like:
>
> HorizSync 31.5 - 75.0
> VertRefresh 50.0 - 100.0
> Modeline "1152x864_50.00" 66.25 1152 1208 1320 1488 864 867
> 871 892 -hsync +vsync
>
> DefaultDepth 16
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 16
> Modes "1152x864_50.00"
> EndSubSection
>
> That gets around problems with the S3 graphics chip emulated
> in VPC 2007 (no 24 bit graphics mode, low max clock for VGA).
>
> I keep a copy of the custom xorg.conf file on the virtual hard drive,
> for issues like this (that's part of the work I've done over
> the last two weeks).
>
> That wouldn't have stopped a real user like Navyguy, as it's
> an issue with VPC 2007 and not so much with real computers.
>
> And BitDefender detected the EICAR file I left on the virtual
> hard drive, so it passed the most simple minded test.
>
> Which means, some day, if I need it, I'd actually burn a CD
> with it
Testing them in VPC tells you exactly nothing about compatibility issues
with the various hardware encountered in the field. Because one of them
works on your system, or in VPC on your system, only tests the
usefulness of the app on systems where it runs. You're not testing it
on assorted hardware.
Also, testing an old version (in this case, well over a year old) is a
waste of your time. Improvements made in later versions aren't just to
the scanning engine and defs....bugs are fixed and driver compatibility
is also improved.
As I said a couple of times, I and many others have tested most of the
rescue CDs in the field on dozens of different machines with different
hardware. Some will freeze on certain model laptops, and on many dell
computers. Newer versions of the various rescue CDs have improved their
driver compatibility. This is well documented in support forums for
some of the rescue CDs, moderated by the authors of the CDs.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+
http://dts-l.net/
news:ie07q6$g2t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Paul wrote:
>> glee wrote:
>>> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:idv24k$o8h$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Navyguy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I should also relate that since Spybot doesnt seem to be
>>>>> working normally with the passive immunization today I downloaded
>>>>> Spywareblaster but found that it won't let me download updates and
>>>>> gave me this message:
>>>>>
>>>>> The server may be temporarily unavailable or there may be a
>>>>> conflict
>>>>> with firewall (Windows) software installed on your pc. The update
>>>>> file
>>>>> may have gotten corrupted during download.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried several times at different times of the day with the same
>>>>> message.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Did you see my posting a while back, where I gave a possible
>>>> recipe for using the Kaspersky offline scanner (I came up with a
>>>> method to defeat the EULA screen). Any time you find AV software
>>>> is not able to get updates over the Internet, that means
>>>> you're infected. (Or for that matter, lots of other
>>>> strange behaviors, can have the same root cause.)
>>>>
>>>> (The section at the bottom, if your keyboard is working...)
>>>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsof ... ode=source
>>>>
>>>
>>> Or, far simpler, he could try a different offline AV disc. His Dell
>>> network adapter is likely causing the freeze he's getting with
>>> Kaspersky...it's a fairly well know issue with older Dells and some
>>> Linux bootable AV discs, such as Avira and Kaspersky. I've had the
>>> best luck in such situations, using the BitDefender rescue disc
>>> instead:
>>> http://download.bitdefender.com/rescue_cd/
>>>
>>> Using The BitDefender Rescue Cd -
>>> http://forum.bitdefender.com/index.php? ... opic=16602
>>>
>
> I got the old version of BitDefender working this morning.
> You change the boot line to the following, to prevent
> input freeze-up in VPC 2007 (and perhaps on some real
> systems too).
>
> knoppix i8042.noloop
>
> Once in there, open a Terminal window and run
>
> /usr/sbin/network-setup
>
> The nice thing about that menu based thing, is you
> have more options than just DHCP over ethernet. There is
> even some kind of option for PPP over a modem.
>
> Due to the age of that CD, it claimed the "free license" had
> expired. But for the first time, I got it to fire up and
> accept input.
>
> BitDefenderRescueCD_v2.0.0_3_08_2009.iso
>
> *******
>
> The Aug 2010 version of BitDefender booted OK, and didn't need a
> custom boot line. It connected to the network OK, and downloaded
> about 18MB of files or so (I wasn't watching it that carefully).
>
> In VPC2007, the screen ended up too small, and I needed to use a
> custom xorg.conf , kill the "X" server process, drop to single
> user terminal, issue "startx", and then I had a 1152x864 sized
> virtual window for the scanner to run. The key ingredients of
> a custom xorg.conf (for VPC 2007) are things like:
>
> HorizSync 31.5 - 75.0
> VertRefresh 50.0 - 100.0
> Modeline "1152x864_50.00" 66.25 1152 1208 1320 1488 864 867
> 871 892 -hsync +vsync
>
> DefaultDepth 16
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 16
> Modes "1152x864_50.00"
> EndSubSection
>
> That gets around problems with the S3 graphics chip emulated
> in VPC 2007 (no 24 bit graphics mode, low max clock for VGA).
>
> I keep a copy of the custom xorg.conf file on the virtual hard drive,
> for issues like this (that's part of the work I've done over
> the last two weeks).
>
> That wouldn't have stopped a real user like Navyguy, as it's
> an issue with VPC 2007 and not so much with real computers.
>
> And BitDefender detected the EICAR file I left on the virtual
> hard drive, so it passed the most simple minded test.
>
> Which means, some day, if I need it, I'd actually burn a CD
> with it
Testing them in VPC tells you exactly nothing about compatibility issues
with the various hardware encountered in the field. Because one of them
works on your system, or in VPC on your system, only tests the
usefulness of the app on systems where it runs. You're not testing it
on assorted hardware.
Also, testing an old version (in this case, well over a year old) is a
waste of your time. Improvements made in later versions aren't just to
the scanning engine and defs....bugs are fixed and driver compatibility
is also improved.
As I said a couple of times, I and many others have tested most of the
rescue CDs in the field on dozens of different machines with different
hardware. Some will freeze on certain model laptops, and on many dell
computers. Newer versions of the various rescue CDs have improved their
driver compatibility. This is well documented in support forums for
some of the rescue CDs, moderated by the authors of the CDs.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+
http://dts-l.net/