MS09-054: Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer

[greg]

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:36:27 -0400, MEB <MEB-not-here@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Greg wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:46:54 -0400, MEB <MEB-not-here@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 4. NO WHERE does Microsoft recommend installing these files into a 9X
>>> system. *IN FACT* Microsoft has defined *EXACTLY WHAT* systems and
>>> *SERVICE PACK LEVEL* these are *DESIGNED* to work within and *FOR*.
>>
>> I never said they did. I said microsoft is going to say that the
>> files are for xp or above because they want you to install it on
>> operating systems they support. (That if you ask one)
>>
>> I really don't know what you mean by service pack level. If it what
>> I am thinking, service packs has nothing to do with I.E. 6 patch
>> period.
>>
>> Do you work for Microsoft?
>>
>
> Look here before you continue:
>
> There is a series of fixes within this update:
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/securi ... 9-054.mspx
>
> Explain how *each* addressed vulnerability either doesn't exist in 9X
>or how these fixes WILL work in 9X with the testing results to *prove*
>that AFTER installation in 9X, these issues ARE fixed..
>
> Also explain WHY not being able to install the DX files and others,
>WILL NOT be an issue in 9X.

I don't have to explain anything, you the one wanting this info. Do
it yourself. If you want testing do it yourself. If you want proof
do it yourself. I don't have the time.

If you read my post earlier, you would of read that the msfn forums
recommends not to install the Dx files if you don't have net framework
installed, another poster does disagree with that, said they should
be installed as well.

I still personal believe that if it is the same file and they are
patched, it should work on 98se and may even be better security but I
myself don't believe it would create more vulnerabilities like you
claim.

I have been using 98se unofficial update without any problems. It is
just basically Microsoft update rolled into one. (I extracted files
to look at them)

Greg

[meb]

98 Guy wrote:
> MEB wrote:
>
>
> The IE activeX kill bits can be applied to a win-9x system quite easily
> to mitigate this threat, and this indeed has been incorporated into many
> third-party win-98 update packs.
>

Really stupid presentation, those killbits WERE addressed during
support period..

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In message <#UjeWdqVKHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, MEB
<MEB-not-here@hotmail.com> writes:
>98 Guy wrote:
>
>>
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, tsk, tsk, bruuuuuuhhhhhawwwwwww,,
>aaaaaahhhhh hehehehehehhehe
>
> Have them write some other arguments for you, those are worthless.
>
No he didn't. They're coming to take you away, he he, ha ha ...
--
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outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum." Translation: "Garbage in, garbage out."

["j. p. gilliver]

In message <Owz4ifrVKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, MEB
<MEB-not-here@hotmail.com> writes:
[]
>SUPPORTED OSs. 9X will not be offered those, and there is NO guarantee
>that any of those fixes created for the SUPPORTED OSs will work in 9X,
>leaving 9X vulnerable AND unprotected, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, at an
>essentially unknown level of vulnerability if these files are installed.

Yes, unknown. Not necessarily better, indeed; but not necessarily worse.
[]
> Frankly, IMO, this is a stupid way to address "keep Win98 alive".
[]
And your way is?
--
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** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum." Translation: "Garbage in, garbage out."

[meb]

Just a little reminder for those perhaps unfamiliar with the Usenet
culture. There is a common suggestion: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.
*Expect though*, that there will be those who MUST *tromp on the
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and their type of posting style.
These low-life Usenetters [note1], generally without anything of value
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[per a discussion with this entity], who must have forgotten this *was*
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of what this party is/was:

""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
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- Gene Spafford,1992"

So here's "the rest of the story" {Paul Harvey's well known keymark
statement}:
http://www.angelfire.com/space/usenet/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Int ... 27re_a_dog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit-and-run_posting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_ ... culture%29

note1 - Not all Usenetters are trolls or such, but there ARE vast
numbers of them throughout Usenet with apparently nothing better to do
in their miserable and pathetic lives but to use the groups for their
own inexorable and infantile amusement.

[meb]

Just a little reminder for those perhaps unfamiliar with the Usenet
culture. There is a common suggestion: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.
*Expect though*, that there will be those who MUST *tromp on the
trolls* so the world knows what and who they are and/or to dispel
whatever myth or falsehood may be involved. You can generally recognize
a REAL troll or these other parties rather easily by what they
consistently use [attacks against parties and their viable materials]
and their type of posting style.
These low-life Usenetters [note1], generally without anything of value
to post and lacking the intelligence necessary to do so; they *WILL*
attack [often several trolls and sockpuppets at a time] those posting
viable materials attempting to take over the various groups for their
own usage or to kill the respective group [a personal satisfaction to
these types]; and to discredit viable parties and postings to whatever
extent possible.
There are also those who deliberately post false information with
seemingly legitimate links or arguments, or who actually believe the
"urban myths" regardless of ALL of the materials and arguments
otherwise; it does not, however, change what these people are, the scum
of Usenet and what will bring its ultimate demise.

Please read the below so you might have a better understanding of the
various types of parties [there are other classifications], and what to
expect within Usenet. Here's a hint, if the party posting is using their
REAL name, you can likely, a least, consider their post *might* be of
value, since what they post follows them to their REAL life. Note
though: Usenet is also filled with Identity theft, so look for those
parties including some method of verification of who they are.

Here's a well put idea taken from jonz, a dejanews user/troll's sig
[per a discussion with this entity], who must have forgotten this *was*
the sig being used, unless it was a sub-conscious admission and warning
of what this party is/was:

""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
- Gene Spafford,1992"

So here's "the rest of the story" {Paul Harvey's well known keymark
statement}:
http://www.angelfire.com/space/usenet/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Int ... 27re_a_dog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit-and-run_posting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_ ... culture%29

note1 - Not all Usenetters are trolls or such, but there ARE vast
numbers of them throughout Usenet with apparently nothing better to do
in their miserable and pathetic lives but to use the groups for their
own inexorable and infantile amusement.

[meb]

Just a little reminder for those perhaps unfamiliar with the Usenet
culture. There is a common suggestion: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.
*Expect though*, that there will be those who MUST *tromp on the
trolls* so the world knows what and who they are and/or to dispel
whatever myth or falsehood may be involved. You can generally recognize
a REAL troll or these other parties rather easily by what they
consistently use [attacks against parties and their viable materials]
and their type of posting style.
These low-life Usenetters [note1], generally without anything of value
to post and lacking the intelligence necessary to do so; they *WILL*
attack [often several trolls and sockpuppets at a time] those posting
viable materials attempting to take over the various groups for their
own usage or to kill the respective group [a personal satisfaction to
these types]; and to discredit viable parties and postings to whatever
extent possible.
There are also those who deliberately post false information with
seemingly legitimate links or arguments, or who actually believe the
"urban myths" regardless of ALL of the materials and arguments
otherwise; it does not, however, change what these people are, the scum
of Usenet and what will bring its ultimate demise.

Please read the below so you might have a better understanding of the
various types of parties [there are other classifications], and what to
expect within Usenet. Here's a hint, if the party posting is using their
REAL name, you can likely, a least, consider their post *might* be of
value, since what they post follows them to their REAL life. Note
though: Usenet is also filled with Identity theft, so look for those
parties including some method of verification of who they are.

Here's a well put idea taken from jonz, a dejanews user/troll's sig
[per a discussion with this entity], who must have forgotten this *was*
the sig being used, unless it was a sub-conscious admission and warning
of what this party is/was:

""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
- Gene Spafford,1992"

So here's "the rest of the story" {Paul Harvey's well known keymark
statement}:
http://www.angelfire.com/space/usenet/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Int ... 27re_a_dog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit-and-run_posting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_ ... culture%29

note1 - Not all Usenetters are trolls or such, but there ARE vast
numbers of them throughout Usenet with apparently nothing better to do
in their miserable and pathetic lives but to use the groups for their
own inexorable and infantile amusement.

[meb]

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[meb]

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[meb]

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[greg]

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:11:47 -0400, MEB <MEB-not-here@hotmail.com>

Meb, please stop the repeating troll advisory stuff. I am not
saying you are a troll but by repeating the troll advisory, you doing
exactly what a troll does. If you keep it up, I going to have to
put you on the kill file. Which, I know that you don't want, if
you are trying to prove your point. Plus it get a little annoying to
read the troll stuff over and over and over and over.

Thank You,

Greg

[meb]

98 Guy wrote:
> MEB wrote:
>
WARNING DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

The entity above, for which this post was applied to, has been
repeatedly identified as troll and Usenet abuser.
Please do NOT respond to this entity or what they post,
This was an attempt by this entity to bring a useless discussion and
will likely contain NOTHING of value, EVEN IF IT MAY APPEAR SO. Useless
purported arguments will be submitted to which you are supposed to
respond to so they can then have something to do.
Moreover, will cause this entity to abuse any responders who take issue
with what might be posted.
I am creating web pages to show the exact reasons for this
identification and will post links in this WARNING as they are added.
Note specifically the parties which engage in discussion with this party.
The terms related to that type of activity are troll and sockpuppets.