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How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by mm »

How do I install the XP Recovery Console?

OR how do I fix the boot sector of my C: partition, when I'm in winXP
on the D: partition, but I have MS dual boot from the C:, win98
partition?

Right now I'd be happy just to fix the boot sector, but the only way I
know to do that is from the XP Recovery Console, with " fixboot C: "

(Background: I used Easeus Parition Master 6 to make the C: partition
smaller and now, I still have my dual boot menu and can boot to winxp
with no problem, and I can boot to the win98SE menu, but whichever
option I choose, it doesn't get very far before it stops with some bad
message or other.)


So, How do I install XP Recovery Console:

I' sorry the rest of this post is so long.

I took my XP installation CD and found winnt32.exe and ran it
y:\i386\winnt32.exe /cmdcon but I'm up to SP3 and my CD is SP0,
and it said it was older than the current version.

So I found SP3 on a CD, but it was just one .exe file.
Then I remembered I had expanded the .exe file and had all the files
in my external backup drive.

So I found the one for SP3 and ran it:
I:\win2000basement\xpsp3\i386\winnt32.exe /cmdcon and I got the
message "The installation source path specified in Setup is invalid.
Contact your System Administrator."

So I googled this message, and

1) some urls said it couldn't run from a flat file, which I think
means it has to be on a CD, is that right? So I copied the file and
2 winnt32 dll's and 2 winnt dll's to a CD and ran it from the CD and
got the same message.

2) Other urls said iiuc one had to slipstream sp3 to XP and then run
that (they all said sp2, because sp2 was the highest then, but
shouldn't it be enough to take winnt32.exe and maybe its .dll files
out of SP3 and run them?

3) One or two other places said that the problem could be solved in
the registry: http://forum.sysinternals.com/topic7290.html
"Temporarily change setup source path in the registry under:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup
"SourcePath" value should point to c:\
(Re-create slipstreamed "i386" in c:\)
Backup previous key/data and reverse the process when done."

In keeping with this one, I went to that location in the registry and
my SourcePath was E:\, which until yesterday was the name of my second
CD drive. First I changed it to the address of my external drive,
where the files for SP3 were, all of the address that precedes i386\ .

That didn't work, so I copied the file to a C:\i386 folder, changed
the registry entry to C:\ and ran it. There it complained that it
didn't have winnt32u.dll, so I copied all four dll files whose name
started winnt to the same C: folder. Then it went back to the
previous message about Source Path.

Then I figured that I should use D:, since that is the WinXP
partition, so I moved the folder to D: changed the registry to say D:\
and ran it from there. Same error message.

Then I burned a CD and ran it from the CD in the second CD drive.
Didn't work so I went into the registry and changed the entry to Z:\ .
Didn't work so I moved the CD to the Y: drive and changed the entry to
Y:\ . That was almost the last thing I tried, and it gave the same
message "The installation source path specified in Setup is invalid.
Contact your System Administrator."

4) And one guy said all that was necessary was to copy winnt32.exe to
the C: partition:
http://askbobrankin.com/comments_000400.php
"The Recovery Console CAN be installed after Windows XP Service Pack 2
[That would also include sp3.] has been installed. Basically, you must
temporarily replace the XPSP1 c:\i386\WINNT32.EXE file with the XPSP2
WINNT32.EXE file, then you run the "c:\i386\winnt32.exe /cmdcons"
command. No other changes or Registry edits should be necessary.
[So this guy definitely disagrees with 3 above.]
There are step-by-step instructions on the following page:
Microsoft Windows XP FAQ - (21) Recovery Console SP2 Revision -
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html#021 "
This url says "You will need to do one of the following.
1. If SP2 was applied as an update and the option to save the
uninstall files was enabled, Uninstall SP2 from Add/Remove.
2. If Windows XP SP2 was preinstalled or installed from XP media
with SP2 included, uninstall will not be an option. You will need to
clean install with an older XP version or use one of the options in 3
and 4 or 5. [I don't like options 1 and 2. There is no 5 below, but
maybe he means the "work around
fix".]
3. Use a slipstreamed XP CD with SP2.
4. Use a retail/OEM XP SP2 CD when available."

"SP2 work around fix

Work around compliments of "Jon" from the msnews newsgroups.
You can install Recovery Console, AFTER SP2 installation, via the
following workaround.....

For this you need the full network version of SP2.

Downloadable from HERE. [This is the SP2 installer. I have SP3
already, and I did all the stuff below already.]

1. Open a command prompt in the folder containing the SP2 installer
and type
WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe -x
Choose a folder to extract the files to e.g. file:///c:/SP2files
2. Make a backup of the file winnt32.exe in c:\windows\i386
3. Replace the winnt32.exe file in c:\windows\i386 with the
identically named file in C:\sp2files\i386 (or in the i386 folder in
the folder where you extracted the files)
4. Open a command prompt at c:\windows\i386
Type winnt32.exe /cmdcons
Recovery Console should install

****I did this almost, I put the exe and 3 dlls that weren't already
there into D:\windows\system32 and I changed the registry entry to
match, but it didn't work. Surely it couldn't make a difference if
it
were in C;\windows\i386 .

(Ignore the first error message, if any)
5. Replace the winnt32.exe in c:\windows\i386 with its original
version (created in step 2) Hope this works for you. Jon


So I have tried pretty much all of these (except making a slipstreamed
version**, but I think I got the same files from SP3) and none work.
What am I doing wrong? :)

**Last year, I spent hours trying to make a slipstreamed XPSP3, using
every method suggested, and I couldn't get it to work. But here I only
need one file to work.

Thanks for any help you can give.

mm
Posts: 38
Joined: 28 Jul 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by mm »

Never mind. At least I think, Never mind. I'll let you know. :)


On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:37:32 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>How do I install the XP Recovery Console?
>
>OR how do I fix the boot sector of my C: partition, when I'm in winXP
>on the D: partition, but I have MS dual boot from the C:, win98
>partition?
>
>Right now I'd be happy just to fix the boot sector, but the only way I
>know to do that is from the XP Recovery Console, with " fixboot C: "
>
>(Background: I used Easeus Parition Master 6 to make the C: partition
>smaller and now, I still have my dual boot menu and can boot to winxp
>with no problem, and I can boot to the win98SE menu, but whichever
>option I choose, it doesn't get very far before it stops with some bad
>message or other.)
>
>
>So, How do I install XP Recovery Console:
>

andy
Posts: 2
Joined: 14 Jun 2010, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by andy »

The Windows 98 boot sector (hidden file \bootsect.dos when dual
booting with Widows XP) contains information about the size of the
partition. So when you resized the partition, the Windows 98 boot
sector is no longer valid. Even if you are not dual booting, I believe
Easeus Partition Master does not support resizing Windows 98
partitions.

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:37:32 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>How do I install the XP Recovery Console?
>
>OR how do I fix the boot sector of my C: partition, when I'm in winXP
>on the D: partition, but I have MS dual boot from the C:, win98
>partition?
>
>Right now I'd be happy just to fix the boot sector, but the only way I
>know to do that is from the XP Recovery Console, with " fixboot C: "
>
>(Background: I used Easeus Parition Master 6 to make the C: partition
>smaller and now, I still have my dual boot menu and can boot to winxp
>with no problem, and I can boot to the win98SE menu, but whichever
>option I choose, it doesn't get very far before it stops with some bad
>message or other.)
>
>
>So, How do I install XP Recovery Console:
>
>I' sorry the rest of this post is so long.
>
>I took my XP installation CD and found winnt32.exe and ran it
> y:\i386\winnt32.exe /cmdcon but I'm up to SP3 and my CD is SP0,
>and it said it was older than the current version.
>
>So I found SP3 on a CD, but it was just one .exe file.
>Then I remembered I had expanded the .exe file and had all the files
>in my external backup drive.
>
>So I found the one for SP3 and ran it:
>I:\win2000basement\xpsp3\i386\winnt32.exe /cmdcon and I got the
>message "The installation source path specified in Setup is invalid.
>Contact your System Administrator."
>
>So I googled this message, and
>
>1) some urls said it couldn't run from a flat file, which I think
>means it has to be on a CD, is that right? So I copied the file and
>2 winnt32 dll's and 2 winnt dll's to a CD and ran it from the CD and
>got the same message.
>
>2) Other urls said iiuc one had to slipstream sp3 to XP and then run
>that (they all said sp2, because sp2 was the highest then, but
>shouldn't it be enough to take winnt32.exe and maybe its .dll files
>out of SP3 and run them?
>
>3) One or two other places said that the problem could be solved in
>the registry: http://forum.sysinternals.com/topic7290.html
>"Temporarily change setup source path in the registry under:
>
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup
>"SourcePath" value should point to c:\
>(Re-create slipstreamed "i386" in c:\)
>Backup previous key/data and reverse the process when done."
>
>In keeping with this one, I went to that location in the registry and
>my SourcePath was E:\, which until yesterday was the name of my second
>CD drive. First I changed it to the address of my external drive,
>where the files for SP3 were, all of the address that precedes i386\ .
>
>That didn't work, so I copied the file to a C:\i386 folder, changed
>the registry entry to C:\ and ran it. There it complained that it
>didn't have winnt32u.dll, so I copied all four dll files whose name
>started winnt to the same C: folder. Then it went back to the
>previous message about Source Path.
>
>Then I figured that I should use D:, since that is the WinXP
>partition, so I moved the folder to D: changed the registry to say D:\
>and ran it from there. Same error message.
>
>Then I burned a CD and ran it from the CD in the second CD drive.
>Didn't work so I went into the registry and changed the entry to Z:\ .
>Didn't work so I moved the CD to the Y: drive and changed the entry to
>Y:\ . That was almost the last thing I tried, and it gave the same
>message "The installation source path specified in Setup is invalid.
>Contact your System Administrator."
>
>4) And one guy said all that was necessary was to copy winnt32.exe to
>the C: partition:
>http://askbobrankin.com/comments_000400.php
>"The Recovery Console CAN be installed after Windows XP Service Pack 2
>[That would also include sp3.] has been installed. Basically, you must
>temporarily replace the XPSP1 c:\i386\WINNT32.EXE file with the XPSP2
>WINNT32.EXE file, then you run the "c:\i386\winnt32.exe /cmdcons"
>command. No other changes or Registry edits should be necessary.
>[So this guy definitely disagrees with 3 above.]
>There are step-by-step instructions on the following page:
>Microsoft Windows XP FAQ - (21) Recovery Console SP2 Revision -
>http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html#021 "
>This url says "You will need to do one of the following.
> 1. If SP2 was applied as an update and the option to save the
>uninstall files was enabled, Uninstall SP2 from Add/Remove.
> 2. If Windows XP SP2 was preinstalled or installed from XP media
>with SP2 included, uninstall will not be an option. You will need to
>clean install with an older XP version or use one of the options in 3
>and 4 or 5. [I don't like options 1 and 2. There is no 5 below, but
>maybe he means the "work around
>fix".]
> 3. Use a slipstreamed XP CD with SP2.
> 4. Use a retail/OEM XP SP2 CD when available."
>
>"SP2 work around fix
>
>Work around compliments of "Jon" from the msnews newsgroups.
>You can install Recovery Console, AFTER SP2 installation, via the
>following workaround.....
>
>For this you need the full network version of SP2.
>
>Downloadable from HERE. [This is the SP2 installer. I have SP3
>already, and I did all the stuff below already.]
>
> 1. Open a command prompt in the folder containing the SP2 installer
> and type
> WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe -x
> Choose a folder to extract the files to e.g. file:///c:/SP2files
> 2. Make a backup of the file winnt32.exe in c:\windows\i386
> 3. Replace the winnt32.exe file in c:\windows\i386 with the
>identically named file in C:\sp2files\i386 (or in the i386 folder in
>the folder where you extracted the files)
> 4. Open a command prompt at c:\windows\i386
> Type winnt32.exe /cmdcons
> Recovery Console should install
>
>****I did this almost, I put the exe and 3 dlls that weren't already
>there into D:\windows\system32 and I changed the registry entry to
>match, but it didn't work. Surely it couldn't make a difference if
>it
>were in C;\windows\i386 .
>
> (Ignore the first error message, if any)
> 5. Replace the winnt32.exe in c:\windows\i386 with its original
>version (created in step 2) Hope this works for you. Jon
>
>
>So I have tried pretty much all of these (except making a slipstreamed
>version**, but I think I got the same files from SP3) and none work.
>What am I doing wrong? :)
>
>**Last year, I spent hours trying to make a slipstreamed XPSP3, using
>every method suggested, and I couldn't get it to work. But here I only
>need one file to work.
>
>Thanks for any help you can give.

mm
Posts: 38
Joined: 28 Jul 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by mm »

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:27:23 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
>Never mind. At least I think, Never mind. I'll let you know. :)

Well, I was able to *run* the Recovery Console by booting from the XP
installation disk, it doesn't matter if it is sp0 or sp3, and I was
able to run fixboot on the other partition, so that's good. but I
wasn't able to *install* the Recovery Console, not using either
version of winnt32.exe (version sp0 or sp3).

It said it wasn't a valid program and I should look in the list of
valid programs by typing Help. Those were just the special Recovery
Console commands.

So how do I install Recovery Console, by booting from a CD or from
inside XP?

Thanks.

>
>On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:37:32 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
>wrote:
>
>>How do I install the XP Recovery Console?
>>
>>OR how do I fix the boot sector of my C: partition, when I'm in winXP
>>on the D: partition, but I have MS dual boot from the C:, win98
>>partition?
>>
>>Right now I'd be happy just to fix the boot sector, but the only way I
>>know to do that is from the XP Recovery Console, with " fixboot C: "
>>
>>(Background: I used Easeus Parition Master 6 to make the C: partition
>>smaller and now, I still have my dual boot menu and can boot to winxp
>>with no problem, and I can boot to the win98SE menu, but whichever
>>option I choose, it doesn't get very far before it stops with some bad
>>message or other.)
>>
>>
>>So, How do I install XP Recovery Console:
>>

daave
Posts: 33
Joined: 09 May 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by daave »

mm wrote:
> How do I install the XP Recovery Console?
>
> OR how do I fix the boot sector of my C: partition, when I'm in winXP
> on the D: partition, but I have MS dual boot from the C:, win98
> partition?
>
> Right now I'd be happy just to fix the boot sector, but the only way I
> know to do that is from the XP Recovery Console, with " fixboot C: "
>
> (Background: I used Easeus Parition Master 6 to make the C: partition
> smaller and now, I still have my dual boot menu and can boot to winxp
> with no problem, and I can boot to the win98SE menu, but whichever
> option I choose, it doesn't get very far before it stops with some bad
> message or other.)
>
>
> So, How do I install XP Recovery Console:
>
> I' sorry the rest of this post is so long.

<snip>

(It sure was!)

You install the XP Recovery Console by using the method listed here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654

But the CD's SP level needs to match the OS's SP level on the PC.

Since installing the Recovery Console is not necessary (you can always
run it off the CD), I would recommend against it.

mm
Posts: 38
Joined: 28 Jul 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by mm »

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:52:46 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> How do I install the XP Recovery Console?
>>
>> OR how do I fix the boot sector of my C: partition, when I'm in winXP
>> on the D: partition, but I have MS dual boot from the C:, win98
>> partition?
>>
>> Right now I'd be happy just to fix the boot sector, but the only way I
>> know to do that is from the XP Recovery Console, with " fixboot C: "
>>
>> (Background: I used Easeus Parition Master 6 to make the C: partition
>> smaller and now, I still have my dual boot menu and can boot to winxp
>> with no problem, and I can boot to the win98SE menu, but whichever
>> option I choose, it doesn't get very far before it stops with some bad
>> message or other.)
>>
>>
>> So, How do I install XP Recovery Console:
>>
>> I' sorry the rest of this post is so long.
>
><snip>
>
>(It sure was!)
>
>You install the XP Recovery Console by using the method listed here:
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654

Thanks.

>But the CD's SP level needs to match the OS's SP level on the PC.
>
>Since installing the Recovery Console is not necessary (you can always
>run it off the CD), I would recommend against it.

Not directed at you personally, of course:

I wasted a lot of time last night. It would have been okay if it
hadn't been a waste, but most of it was.

Maybe it's not necesary, but I think if Microsoft is going to write
about it installing it and write about using it when it's been
installed, they should warn people when they first get Windows that
now is the time to install it. I don't dump on MS that often, but I
think they deserve it here.

They do say here (though not everywhere, I'll bet) that the CD has to
be as old as the OS, but it should be in bolder, red print at the
start, to make it clear that it's a major obstacle. Instead it's in
thin letter print with a reference to another page. On the other page
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/898594 re three methods, the first
two of which are not feasible for most users, and the third I tried
over and over (an sp3 version of it), slipstreaming SP2, then sp3 into
the sp0 versionxe file and it wouldn't work.

They could for example have an option to install Rec. Console using
the wrong version of the winnt32. It's windows, not God, which is
preventing me from using the sp3 version because ist's not straight
out of an XP SP3 CD, or whatever. I may be a failure at
slipsteaming, but most users don't know a thing about it.

And they are probably causing the same problems with Vista and 7 users
and everyone after that.

daave
Posts: 33
Joined: 09 May 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by daave »

mm wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:52:46 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:
>
>> mm wrote:
>>> How do I install the XP Recovery Console?
>>>
>>> OR how do I fix the boot sector of my C: partition, when I'm in
>>> winXP on the D: partition, but I have MS dual boot from the C:,
>>> win98 partition?
>>>
>>> Right now I'd be happy just to fix the boot sector, but the only
>>> way I know to do that is from the XP Recovery Console, with "
>>> fixboot C: "
>>>
>>> (Background: I used Easeus Parition Master 6 to make the C:
>>> partition smaller and now, I still have my dual boot menu and can
>>> boot to winxp with no problem, and I can boot to the win98SE menu,
>>> but whichever option I choose, it doesn't get very far before it
>>> stops with some bad message or other.)
>>>
>>>
>>> So, How do I install XP Recovery Console:
>>>
>>> I' sorry the rest of this post is so long.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> (It sure was!)
>>
>> You install the XP Recovery Console by using the method listed here:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654
>
> Thanks.
>
>> But the CD's SP level needs to match the OS's SP level on the PC.
>>
>> Since installing the Recovery Console is not necessary (you can
>> always run it off the CD), I would recommend against it.
>
> Not directed at you personally, of course:
>
> I wasted a lot of time last night. It would have been okay if it
> hadn't been a waste, but most of it was.
>
> Maybe it's not necesary, but I think if Microsoft is going to write
> about it installing it and write about using it when it's been
> installed, they should warn people when they first get Windows that
> now is the time to install it. I don't dump on MS that often, but I
> think they deserve it here.
>
> They do say here (though not everywhere, I'll bet) that the CD has to
> be as old as the OS, but it should be in bolder, red print at the
> start, to make it clear that it's a major obstacle. Instead it's in
> thin letter print with a reference to another page. On the other page
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/898594 re three methods, the first
> two of which are not feasible for most users, and the third I tried
> over and over (an sp3 version of it), slipstreaming SP2, then sp3 into
> the sp0 versionxe file and it wouldn't work.
>
> They could for example have an option to install Rec. Console using
> the wrong version of the winnt32. It's windows, not God, which is
> preventing me from using the sp3 version because ist's not straight
> out of an XP SP3 CD, or whatever. I may be a failure at
> slipsteaming, but most users don't know a thing about it.
>
> And they are probably causing the same problems with Vista and 7 users
> and everyone after that.

And that's the exact reason I recommend against installing the RC. ;-)

It's potentially tricky and it's totally unnecessary. Just boot off the
CD and run it from there the few times you would ever need it.

That's also the reason I recommend that one's drive should be regularly
imaged. That way RC is never needed. Or System Restore for that matter.
Or, most important, reinstalling the OS.

daave
Posts: 33
Joined: 09 May 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by daave »

mm wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:19:45 -0700, Andy <1@2.3> wrote:
>
>> The Windows 98 boot sector (hidden file \bootsect.dos when dual
>> booting with Widows XP) contains information about the size of the
>> partition. So when you resized the partition, the Windows 98 boot
>> sector is no longer valid.
>
> Thanks. I did run "fixboot c:" from the recovery console, but there
> are still 3 problems in the win98 boot. I'm making progress there,
> with the help of the win98 ng. Trying to decide whether to reinstall
> win98SE (can't remember how), or fix each of the problems. One of the
> problems isn't windows however, it's in autoexec.bat. Gosh it may be
> screwed up bad. I made my first actual image a week ago and I may
> already need it.

Hold up.

When you made your image, was your PC working properly (and was the
image made before you incorrectly resized the partitions)? If so, just
restore it!

mm
Posts: 38
Joined: 28 Jul 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by mm »

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:47:20 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:19:45 -0700, Andy <1@2.3> wrote:
>>
>>> The Windows 98 boot sector (hidden file \bootsect.dos when dual
>>> booting with Widows XP) contains information about the size of the
>>> partition. So when you resized the partition, the Windows 98 boot
>>> sector is no longer valid.
>>
>> Thanks. I did run "fixboot c:" from the recovery console, but there
>> are still 3 problems in the win98 boot. I'm making progress there,
>> with the help of the win98 ng. Trying to decide whether to reinstall
>> win98SE (can't remember how), or fix each of the problems. One of the
>> problems isn't windows however, it's in autoexec.bat. Gosh it may be
>> screwed up bad. I made my first actual image a week ago and I may
>> already need it.
>
>Hold up.
>
>When you made your image, was your PC working properly

Yes.

>(and was the
>image made before you incorrectly resized the partitions)?

Yes.

>If so, just
>restore it!

That will take care of MBR, boot sector, etc?

I'd like to understand if I could what the problem is now. I"ve
supposedly fixed the MBR and the boot sector (and it did get further
along in its booting after I did the boot sector repair) and I know
boot.ini is fine now.

The three problems in booting are:
1) I use a shell command, 'shell=C:\PROGRAMS\4DOS\4dos.com /p' in
order to use 4DOS.com, instead of the regular command.com for the
win98-DOS, and it has an option for Time, that will display the time,
and I do that at the end of autoexec.bat, but now it asks what time it
is, instead of displaying it. Once I entered the wrong time, and that
was the time when I got back to winXP

2) I do step-by-step start of windows and the first thing it asks me
is "Load all windows? Y/N", and immediately after I say Yes, it says
"Sector not found reading drive C: Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail?" but
when I say F, it then asks me about the next line, and accepts the
next 20 Y's without a complaint. Bootlog.txt says that many steps
finish normally before the next problem, number 3.

3) It gives a message when it gets to Ontracks.386. I replaced that
file from a backup (not the image fwiw) but that didn't change things.
The message starts off like the error 2, and says:

Sector not found reading drive C:
Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail?

After pressing "F" twice I get the full error message:

A device file specified in system.ini is damaged. It may be needed
to run Windows. You may need to run Windows Setup again.

If the file is included in another software package, you may need to
reinstall the software that uses the file.
C:\Windows\System\Ontracks.386

Then according to bootlog.txt, it continues to do a lot of things, and
stops with no message, or maybe an instruction to reboot.


Any ideas what could be doing this? It would make restoring seem so
much better if I had an idea of the problem.

Isn't there something like chkdsk which would go through and resolve
or at least note which files have bad addresses in the FAT. Then I
could copy in new copies of just those files if there weren't too
many. Am I on the right track?

I think the winXP version of chkdsk barely reports anything, compared
to win98's. Maybe there is an enhanced version. If chkdsk is what I
want, I'll google for an enhanced version.

dadioh
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Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by dadioh »

mm wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:19:45 -0700, Andy <1@2.3> wrote:
>
>> The Windows 98 boot sector (hidden file \bootsect.dos when dual
>> booting with Widows XP) contains information about the size of the
>> partition. So when you resized the partition, the Windows 98 boot
>> sector is no longer valid.
>
> Thanks. I did run "fixboot c:" from the recovery console, but there
> are still 3 problems in the win98 boot.

You need to fix the boot sector with the files on a Win98 boot floppy, *NOT*
with XP or its recovery console.

1. Boot with floppy

2. sys c: (assuming that the Win98 drive is C:)

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Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by mm »

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:48:26 -0400, "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com>
wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:19:45 -0700, Andy <1@2.3> wrote:
>>
>>> The Windows 98 boot sector (hidden file \bootsect.dos when dual
>>> booting with Widows XP) contains information about the size of the
>>> partition. So when you resized the partition, the Windows 98 boot
>>> sector is no longer valid.
>>
>> Thanks. I did run "fixboot c:" from the recovery console, but there
>> are still 3 problems in the win98 boot.
>
>You need to fix the boot sector with the files on a Win98 boot floppy, *NOT*
>with XP or its recovery console.
>
>1. Boot with floppy
>
>2. sys c: (assuming that the Win98 drive is C:)

You know, it did sort of bother me that I was using a winXP "solution"
for a 98 partition, but I told myself there were partitions before
there was win98, so it should work. I can well believe that instead,
this will work, but will know for sure later today. I'll let you
know.

daave
Posts: 33
Joined: 09 May 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by daave »

mm wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:47:20 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:
>
>> mm wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:19:45 -0700, Andy <1@2.3> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Windows 98 boot sector (hidden file \bootsect.dos when dual
>>>> booting with Widows XP) contains information about the size of the
>>>> partition. So when you resized the partition, the Windows 98 boot
>>>> sector is no longer valid.
>>>
>>> Thanks. I did run "fixboot c:" from the recovery console, but there
>>> are still 3 problems in the win98 boot. I'm making progress there,
>>> with the help of the win98 ng. Trying to decide whether to
>>> reinstall win98SE (can't remember how), or fix each of the
>>> problems. One of the problems isn't windows however, it's in
>>> autoexec.bat. Gosh it may be screwed up bad. I made my first
>>> actual image a week ago and I may already need it.
>>
>> Hold up.
>>
>> When you made your image, was your PC working properly
>
> Yes.
>
>> (and was the
>> image made before you incorrectly resized the partitions)?
>
> Yes.
>
>> If so, just
>> restore it!
>
> That will take care of MBR, boot sector, etc?

Absolutely.

This, of course, assumes that you made the image of the *entire* hard
drive (i.e., not just a partition).

mm
Posts: 38
Joined: 28 Jul 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by mm »

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:56:45 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:47:20 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> mm wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:19:45 -0700, Andy <1@2.3> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Windows 98 boot sector (hidden file \bootsect.dos when dual
>>>>> booting with Widows XP) contains information about the size of the
>>>>> partition. So when you resized the partition, the Windows 98 boot
>>>>> sector is no longer valid.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. I did run "fixboot c:" from the recovery console, but there
>>>> are still 3 problems in the win98 boot. I'm making progress there,
>>>> with the help of the win98 ng. Trying to decide whether to
>>>> reinstall win98SE (can't remember how), or fix each of the
>>>> problems. One of the problems isn't windows however, it's in
>>>> autoexec.bat. Gosh it may be screwed up bad. I made my first
>>>> actual image a week ago and I may already need it.
>>>
>>> Hold up.
>>>
>>> When you made your image, was your PC working properly
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> (and was the
>>> image made before you incorrectly resized the partitions)?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> If so, just
>>> restore it!
>>
>> That will take care of MBR, boot sector, etc?
>
>Absolutely.
>
>This, of course, assumes that you made the image of the *entire* hard
>drive (i.e., not just a partition).

There are two images, one for each partition. I have been thinking
of them as independent.

FWIW, I used XXCLone to make them. It doesn't have the ability to do
a whole drive automatically if there is more than one partition.

mm
Posts: 38
Joined: 28 Jul 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by mm »

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:56:45 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:47:20 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hold up.
>>>
>>> When you made your image, was your PC working properly
>>
>> Yes.

BTW instead of trying to boot to win98SE like I have been, I used the
win98 menu to stop at DOS, and I looked around. DIR works fine, but
whenever I tried to edit config.sys or bootsect.dos or any of four
other files chosen at random from the C:\ directory, I got the same
message, "Sector not found while accessing config.sys" and none of it
displaye, or with another method, "Sector not found for config.sys".

OTOH, DIR works fine and "attrib config.sys" shows the file's
attributes.

NOT ONLY THAT, when I'm in WinXP in the other partition, I can display
all these files with no trouble!!!!

How can this be? :) And is it a clue?

daave
Posts: 33
Joined: 09 May 2009, 23:00

Re: How do I install the Recovery Consold

Post by daave »

mm wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:56:45 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:
>
>> mm wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:47:20 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> mm wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:19:45 -0700, Andy <1@2.3> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Windows 98 boot sector (hidden file \bootsect.dos when dual
>>>>>> booting with Widows XP) contains information about the size of
>>>>>> the partition. So when you resized the partition, the Windows 98
>>>>>> boot sector is no longer valid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. I did run "fixboot c:" from the recovery console, but
>>>>> there are still 3 problems in the win98 boot. I'm making
>>>>> progress there, with the help of the win98 ng. Trying to decide
>>>>> whether to reinstall win98SE (can't remember how), or fix each of
>>>>> the problems. One of the problems isn't windows however, it's in
>>>>> autoexec.bat. Gosh it may be screwed up bad. I made my first
>>>>> actual image a week ago and I may already need it.
>>>>
>>>> Hold up.
>>>>
>>>> When you made your image, was your PC working properly
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> (and was the
>>>> image made before you incorrectly resized the partitions)?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> If so, just
>>>> restore it!
>>>
>>> That will take care of MBR, boot sector, etc?
>>
>> Absolutely.
>>
>> This, of course, assumes that you made the image of the *entire* hard
>> drive (i.e., not just a partition).
>
> There are two images, one for each partition. I have been thinking
> of them as independent.
>
> FWIW, I used XXCLone to make them. It doesn't have the ability to do
> a whole drive automatically if there is more than one partition.

I'm not familiar with that program, so I don't know from experience.

Had you used a program like DriveImageXML and imaged the entire hard
drive, I'd be much more confident.

As long as you made sure to copy all your data, it won't hurt to use
XXClone to restore both partitions to see what happens. For good
measure, you could use DriveImageXML or Acronis True Image to image the
entire hard drive before you attempt the XXClone restoration. :-)

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