explorer "invalid page fault"

[thanatoid]

Hi, it's me AGAIN. Sigh.

Everything is just great but I am getting the following error
(not a BIG deal - all the tray icons disappear but everything
works unless I try to start a new program - and it used to
happen with the previous install as well...).

Also, I am PRETTY sure the culprit is "Windows Make-Up" by
Simone Avogadro, a "file open" box resizer/extender without the
overkill of File Ex or other such programs.

This is the message:

++++++++++

EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
module <unknown> at 0000:005857cd.
Registers:
EAX=82d4e5b8 CS=0167 EIP=005857cd EFLGS=00010246
EBX=00000000 SS=016f ESP=0066f084 EBP=0066f114
ECX=81d300e8 DS=016f ESI=00448d90 FS=274f
EDX=00440000 ES=016f EDI=00447990 GS=37ee
Bytes at CS:EIP:

Stack dump:
7fdf766e 82d4e5b8 00448d90 00000001 00447990 ffff9001 00000001
7fdcfa87 82d4e5b8 0066f0bc 00000001 00447990 00000a18 00000001
bfc02de9 00667000

++++++++++

Dependency walker gave me this:

wmuhook.dll tagged pink
kernel32.dll :
red C, ordinal n/a, function: IsTNT

This is why I think it's Windows Make-Up (wmu).

Does anyone have another idea? I googled and was not successful.

Now that I am doing all this on a 2GHz machine, File Ex may not
be such a bad idea. WMU was always a little buggy and sloppy but
on pure 95B (not 98SELite) it ran great.

[chuckcar]

thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns9BE5A5FBCC861thanexit@85.214.105.209:

> Hi, it's me AGAIN. Sigh.
>
> Everything is just great but I am getting the following error
> (not a BIG deal - all the tray icons disappear but everything
> works unless I try to start a new program - and it used to
> happen with the previous install as well...).
>
> Also, I am PRETTY sure the culprit is "Windows Make-Up" by
> Simone Avogadro, a "file open" box resizer/extender without the
> overkill of File Ex or other such programs.
>
> This is the message:
>
> ++++++++++
>
> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
> module <unknown> at 0000:005857cd.
> Registers:
Clue #1: explorer.exe as a possible cause

>
> Dependency walker gave me this:
>
> wmuhook.dll tagged pink
> kernel32.dll :

Cluse #2 one of the above files as a possible cause.

The former I would guess is part of the aforementioned package?

> red C, ordinal n/a, function: IsTNT
>
> This is why I think it's Windows Make-Up (wmu).
>
> Does anyone have another idea? I googled and was not successful.
>
> Now that I am doing all this on a 2GHz machine, File Ex may not
> be such a bad idea. WMU was always a little buggy and sloppy but
> on pure 95B (not 98SELite) it ran great.
>
with either sfc or command prompt:

extract explorer.exe in the windows directory

Copy the files in the /win98 directory (the one with all the .cab files
from your CD to c:\cabs

boot to command prompt only.

cd c:\windows\system
extract /a /e c:\cabs\base4.cab kernel32.dll

Then do a scanreg/fix in command prompt.

win/d:m

Check to see if there's *any* duplicates in device manager. Remove *all*
copies of what's duplicated if there is, then reboot to normal.

If you still have the problem after this, you first statement is correct:
buggy software.

This is a sure sign that your windows installation is getting corrupted.
If you get errors with user.exe, you *will* have to do a clean install.
There's no repair for that one.

--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )

[pcr]

thanatoid wrote:
| Hi, it's me AGAIN. Sigh.
|
| Everything is just great but I am getting the following error
| (not a BIG deal - all the tray icons disappear but everything
| works unless I try to start a new program - and it used to
| happen with the previous install as well...).

Did you do a fresh install? Is this a full Win98SE now?

Icons can disappear from the tray after Explorer is end-tasked, for
instance from the Ctlr-Alt-Del Close Program box. Explorer immediately
restarts, everything else continues to run-- but fewer icons will appear
in the Tray. I believe the same effect can be seen after a
log-off/log-on using the START button.

It's possible "Windows Make-Up" was unable to re-establish its hook to
Explorer, but that explorer originally crashed for a different reason.
What is the last thing you did before the error happened? Anything to do
with a "file open" box?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/275543
How to troubleshoot the "invalid page fault" error message

Anything in that article ring a bell? How about these...?...

http://support.microsoft.com/search/def ... m=1&res=20

That's everything the MSKB has for "EXPLORER caused an invalid page
fault in module unknown". Do any of them also state a symptom you've
experienced?

| Also, I am PRETTY sure the culprit is "Windows Make-Up" by
| Simone Avogadro, a "file open" box resizer/extender without the
| overkill of File Ex or other such programs.
|
| This is the message:
|
| ++++++++++
|
| EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
| module <unknown> at 0000:005857cd.
| Registers:
| EAX=82d4e5b8 CS=0167 EIP=005857cd EFLGS=00010246
| EBX=00000000 SS=016f ESP=0066f084 EBP=0066f114
| ECX=81d300e8 DS=016f ESI=00448d90 FS=274f
| EDX=00440000 ES=016f EDI=00447990 GS=37ee
| Bytes at CS:EIP:
|
| Stack dump:
| 7fdf766e 82d4e5b8 00448d90 00000001 00447990 ffff9001 00000001
| 7fdcfa87 82d4e5b8 0066f0bc 00000001 00447990 00000a18 00000001
| bfc02de9 00667000
|
| ++++++++++
|
| Dependency walker gave me this:
|
| wmuhook.dll tagged pink
| kernel32.dll :
| red C, ordinal n/a, function: IsTNT
|
| This is why I think it's Windows Make-Up (wmu).
|
| Does anyone have another idea? I googled and was not successful.
|
| Now that I am doing all this on a 2GHz machine, File Ex may not
| be such a bad idea. WMU was always a little buggy and sloppy but
| on pure 95B (not 98SELite) it ran great.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

[thanatoid]

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
news:NtCdncJtAok95kfUnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@ntd.net:

>
> "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns9BE5A5FBCC861thanexit@85.214.105.209...
>> Hi, it's me AGAIN. Sigh.

> Hey
>
> what happened to all your lost partitions?
>
> Did you get them back????

In spite of the /rather wide/ variety of helpfulness of replies,
even for these groups, yes.

This is the copy of the relevant part of the reply to the most
helpful person:

+++++++++++++

>>> I use MBRTOOL to view my MBR:
>>> http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/mbrtool.htm
>>
>> Will DL it now.

I did. It was too hairy for me - I never studied computer
science so certain things are just beyond me.

Good news, though:

*****BUT it led me (I can't remember how, a suggestion on a
software site for "similar programs" I think, to "TestDisk", a
tiny French marvel which solved the problem in 2 minutes.*****

WHY can't ALL programs be like that? (Rhetorical cry of
despair.)

+++++++++++++

So everything's just peachy. For now, anyway. SIGH.

[thanatoid]

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
news:u31WnrxtJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> thanatoid wrote:
>| Hi, it's me AGAIN. Sigh.
>|
>| Everything is just great but I am getting the following
>| error (not a BIG deal - all the tray icons disappear but
>| everything works unless I try to start a new program - and
>| it used to happen with the previous install as well...).
>
> Did you do a fresh install? Is this a full Win98SE now?

I tried the full 98SE but it was just ridiculous, it took about
3 tries to get it installed. I could NOT believe it.

Once it was installed, I found the shell intolerable (see reply
to Evan). So I wiped C and installed 98SELite which was like
spreading butter on a scone.

> Icons can disappear from the tray after Explorer is
> end-tasked, for instance from the Ctlr-Alt-Del Close
> Program box.

WHY would I ever do that? AFAIK, it and systray HAVE to be
running!

> Explorer immediately restarts, everything else
> continues to run-- but fewer icons will appear in the Tray.
> I believe the same effect can be seen after a
> log-off/log-on using the START button.

I use SSWT, a screen saver-shut off utility.

> It's possible "Windows Make-Up" was unable to re-establish
> its hook to Explorer, but that explorer originally crashed
> for a different reason. What is the last thing you did
> before the error happened? Anything to do with a "file
> open" box?

No.

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/275543
> How to troubleshoot the "invalid page fault" error message

Read it, useless - although MANY of their articles HAVE helped
me, as much as I hate to admit it.

> Anything in that article ring a bell? How about
> these...?...
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/def ... ode=r&quer
> y=EXPLORER+caused+an+invalid+page+fault+in+module+unknown&sp
> id=global&catalog=LCID%3D1033&1033comm=1&res=20
>
> That's everything the MSKB has for "EXPLORER caused an
> invalid page fault in module unknown". Do any of them also
> state a symptom you've experienced?

Of course not. The hell I go through is my very own, copyrighted
and dongled, private computer hell, Grade A US and ISO-9666
certified.

But since I deleted WMU, so far so good.

[don phillipson]

> > Hey
> > what happened to all your lost partitions?
> > Did you get them back????

"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9BE5CF28481D0thanexit@85.214.105.209...

> In spite of the /rather wide/ variety of helpfulness of replies,
> even for these groups, yes.
>
> This is the copy of the relevant part of the reply to the most
> helpful person: . . . [ snip] . . .
> *****BUT it led me (I can't remember how, a suggestion on a
> software site for "similar programs" I think, to "TestDisk", a
> tiny French marvel which solved the problem in 2 minutes.*****
>
> WHY can't ALL programs be like that? (Rhetorical cry of
> despair.)

So why keep the web site address your secret?

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[thanatoid]

"Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote in
news:u$gJjs3tJHA.2776@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

<SNIP>

>> *****BUT it led me (I can't remember how, a suggestion on
>> a software site for "similar programs" I think, to
>> "TestDisk", a tiny French marvel which solved the problem
>> in 2 minutes.*****
>>
>> WHY can't ALL programs be like that? (Rhetorical cry of
>> despair.)
>
> So why keep the web site address your secret?

If you mean one of many places where you can get TestDisk, ever
heard of Google?

[pcr]

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
| news:u31WnrxtJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
|
|> thanatoid wrote:
|>| Hi, it's me AGAIN. Sigh.
|>|
|>| Everything is just great but I am getting the following
|>| error (not a BIG deal - all the tray icons disappear but
|>| everything works unless I try to start a new program - and
|>| it used to happen with the previous install as well...).
|>
|> Did you do a fresh install? Is this a full Win98SE now?
|
| I tried the full 98SE but it was just ridiculous, it took about
| 3 tries to get it installed. I could NOT believe it.
|
| Once it was installed, I found the shell intolerable (see reply
| to Evan). So I wiped C and installed 98SELite which was like
| spreading butter on a scone.

If thats good enough for you, well, fine, BUT I wish you posted about it
first. We could have pared down your Startup Group & had you do a
Scandisk/Defrag, maybe. One thing for sure to discontinue is that Task
Scheduler, which could have been trying to do an auto-Scandisk/Defrag
among other things in the background.

|> Icons can disappear from the tray after Explorer is
|> end-tasked, for instance from the Ctlr-Alt-Del Close
|> Program box.
|
| WHY would I ever do that? AFAIK, it and systray HAVE to be
| running!

SysTray can be eliminated by refusing to start applications that use it,
but most like to keep it. Explorer possibly can be eliminated by
changing to a different shell in System.ini, [boot] section-- but you
lose a good deal of functionality, including the START button!

No, I meant to say, Explorer could have crashed on its own & restarted.
That would explain fewer icons in the Tray.

|> Explorer immediately restarts, everything else
|> continues to run-- but fewer icons will appear in the Tray.
|> I believe the same effect can be seen after a
|> log-off/log-on using the START button.
|
| I use SSWT, a screen saver-shut off utility.

I never Log on/off, either, but just use the default.

|> It's possible "Windows Make-Up" was unable to re-establish
|> its hook to Explorer, but that explorer originally crashed
|> for a different reason. What is the last thing you did
|> before the error happened? Anything to do with a "file
|> open" box?
|
| No.

Uh-huh.

|> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/275543
|> How to troubleshoot the "invalid page fault" error message
|
| Read it, useless - although MANY of their articles HAVE helped
| me, as much as I hate to admit it.

I was hoping you'd find some other problem among those write-ups that
also applied. Then, by curing it, hopefully your own peculiarity would
go away as well.

|> Anything in that article ring a bell? How about
|> these...?...
|>
|> http://support.microsoft.com/search/def ... ode=r&quer
|> y=EXPLORER+caused+an+invalid+page+fault+in+module+unknown&sp
|> id=global&catalog=LCID%3D1033&1033comm=1&res=20
|>
|> That's everything the MSKB has for "EXPLORER caused an
|> invalid page fault in module unknown". Do any of them also
|> state a symptom you've experienced?
|
| Of course not. The hell I go through is my very own, copyrighted
| and dongled, private computer hell, Grade A US and ISO-9666
| certified.
|
| But since I deleted WMU, so far so good.

Alright. I wanted to rule that out, but fine. I see MEB speaks of a way
to make it work, if you want it back. Hypnosis may improve his memory--
but don't make him quack like a duck!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

[aardvark]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:34:49 -0400, PCR wrote:

<Don't know, couldn't separate his post from that to which he was
replying- gave up trying within ten seconds.>




--
The month of March in this year of 2009 sees the centenary of the laying
of the keel of the most famous (or infamous) ocean liner of all time, RMS
Titanic, at Harland & Wolff shipyard in Belfast.
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic>

[pcr]

Aardvark wrote:
| On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:34:49 -0400, PCR wrote:
|
| <Don't know, couldn't separate his post from that to which he was
| replying- gave up trying within ten seconds.>

Huh?

| --
| The month of March in this year of 2009 sees the centenary of the
| laying of the keel of the most famous (or infamous) ocean liner of
| all time, RMS Titanic, at Harland & Wolff shipyard in Belfast.
| < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic>

I didn't like that movie.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

[aardvark]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:02:29 -0400, PCR wrote:

> Aardvark wrote:
> | On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:34:49 -0400, PCR wrote: | | <Don't know,
> couldn't separate his post from that to which he was | replying- gave up
> trying within ten seconds.>
>
> Huh?

You wouldn't understand, as you don't use a proper newsreader. Hell, it
doesn't even trim sigs from the posts to which you're replying.



--
The month of March in this year of 2009 sees the centenary of the laying
of the keel of the most famous (or infamous) ocean liner of all time, RMS
Titanic, at Harland & Wolff shipyard in Belfast.
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic>

[thanatoid]

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
news:e3vTjl9tJHA.4364@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> thanatoid wrote:
>| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
>| news:u31WnrxtJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>|
>|> thanatoid wrote:
>|>| Hi, it's me AGAIN. Sigh.
>|>|
>|>| Everything is just great but I am getting the following
>|>| error (not a BIG deal - all the tray icons disappear but
>|>| everything works unless I try to start a new program -
>|>| and it used to happen with the previous install as
>|>| well...).
>|>
>|> Did you do a fresh install? Is this a full Win98SE now?
>|
>| I tried the full 98SE but it was just ridiculous, it took
>| about 3 tries to get it installed. I could NOT believe it.
>|
>| Once it was installed, I found the shell intolerable (see
>| reply to Evan). So I wiped C and installed 98SELite which
>| was like spreading butter on a scone.
>
> If thats good enough for you, well, fine, BUT I wish you
> posted about it first.

I feel I have abused you guys enough, to be /quite/ honest.

And I /really/ can not stand the 98 shell and Active Desktop,
and I do not believe /both/ can be eliminated in any way but the
Lite program or its competitor (name escapes me) or possibly one
of 3 or (or 30) home-made solutions which have to do with the
shell. But I have used and had NO problems with the 98SE Lite
(Sleek, with the 95 shell, really the ONLY reason I use it!) so
I'd rather not play guinea pig with what may be a brilliantly
simple solution but what could also force me to follow the "Dan
C. advice".

> We could have pared down your
> Startup Group & had you do a Scandisk/Defrag, maybe.

BION, I know how to do those things and I did them. I also
use Start Up Changer 2000. It was one of the first things to go
on the machine after the OS.

Also, perhaps I should clarify the stupid explorer error
happened ONLY after I installed Windows Make Up (no trace of it
or the author on the web) and has not a happened since. Nor was
an explorer error the reason for Lite, the damn shell and AD
were.

< One
> thing for sure to discontinue is that Task Scheduler, which
> could have been trying to do an auto-Scandisk/Defrag among
> other things in the background.

Hey, I may be stupid, but I have been tweaking 95 and 98 for
about 10 years! That's one of the first things to go, courtesy
Start Up Changer.

>|> Icons can disappear from the tray after Explorer is
>|> end-tasked, for instance from the Ctlr-Alt-Del Close
>|> Program box.
>|
>| WHY would I ever do that? AFAIK, it and systray HAVE to be
>| running!
>
> SysTray can be eliminated by refusing to start applications
> that use it, but most like to keep it. Explorer possibly
> can be eliminated by changing to a different shell in
> System.ini, [boot] section-- but you lose a good deal of
> functionality, including the START button!

I have searched and the ONLY thing that systray seems to
actually do has to do with power mgmt which I have turned off,
but if you C/S/D it, it's all over, IIRC.. I should look at it
with Dependency Walker now that I have actually had some
experience with it.

> No, I meant to say, Explorer could have crashed on its own
> & restarted. That would explain fewer icons in the Tray.

I don't know if it restarts - I get an "invalid page fault
message", icons disappear, sometimes nothing works except what
was already running and the message appears every time I try to
start anything, then sometimes I can even start new programs and
nothing hapens except I have no visible icons in systray. But I
/never/ thought (duuuh) of using Dep. Walker and the indication
of "wmuhook problem" would more than explain it since WMU
affects EVERY Windows window. And aside from the "growing pains"
kernel32.dll error 10 minutes after dumping WMU about 24 hrs
ago, everything has been perfect. TOO perfect in fact.

>|> Explorer immediately restarts, everything else
>|> continues to run-- but fewer icons will appear in the
>|> Tray. I believe the same effect can be seen after a
>|> log-off/log-on using the START button.

>| I use SSWT, a screen saver-shut off utility.
>
> I never Log on/off, either, but just use the default.

Just checked, SSWT has "Log Off", as well as the standard
"shutdown", "restart computer", "restart win95" (it's an old
program - "the older the better he say, the thanatoid"), "exit
to MS-DOS" and "help" and "cancel". I have tried "restart 95" a
couple of times although I ALWAYS used "restart computer" and I
see little difference although I vaguely recall there is a
differnce. I have never "logged off" since I do not have any
"log on" in the networks control panel. All I have is Intel 100
and TCP/IP. Maybe I could still "log off", but why tempt the
devil?

>|> It's possible "Windows Make-Up" was unable to
>|> re-establish its hook to Explorer, but that explorer
>|> originally crashed for a different reason. What is the
>|> last thing you did before the error happened? Anything to
>|> do with a "file open" box?

I can't remember, but pretty much anything has to do with
opening a box of some kind and WMU hooks its claws into that
function every time.

Since it IS an interesting program, I can post it for some of
you if you want to look at its guts. It's tiny. Let me know.

>|> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/275543
>|> How to troubleshoot the "invalid page fault" error
>|> message
>|
>| Read it, useless - although MANY of their articles HAVE
>| helped me, as much as I hate to admit it.
>
> I was hoping you'd find some other problem among those
> write-ups that also applied. Then, by curing it, hopefully
> your own peculiarity would go away as well.

IIRC, none indicated "invalid page fault" at any time except
starting Windows or some *other /and/ specific* type of
circumstance...

>|> Anything in that article ring a bell? How about
>|> these...?...
>|>
>|> http://support.microsoft.com/search/def ... ?mode=r&qu
>|> er
>|> y=EXPLORER+caused+an+invalid+page+fault+in+module+unknown&
>|> sp id=global&catalog=LCID%3D1033&1033comm=1&res=20
>|>
>|> That's everything the MSKB has for "EXPLORER caused an
>|> invalid page fault in module unknown". Do any of them
>|> also state a symptom you've experienced?
>|
>| Of course not. The hell I go through is my very own,
>| copyrighted and dongled, private computer hell, Grade A US
>| and ISO-9666 certified.

Did you notice the ISO number ?
AFAIK they HAVE to have 4 digits...

>| But since I deleted WMU, so far so good.
>
> Alright. I wanted to rule that out, but fine. I see MEB
> speaks of a way to make it work, if you want it back.
> Hypnosis may improve his memory-- but don't make him quack
> like a duck!

Well, MY memory must be just peachy since I see I already read
his post and I don't remember any
"way to make it work". I'll read it again.

Thanks for your time and patience.