"PCR" <
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> thanatoid wrote:
>| "PCR" <
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>| news:
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>|> thanatoid wrote:
>|>| Hi, it's me AGAIN. Sigh.
>|>|
>|>| Everything is just great but I am getting the following
>|>| error (not a BIG deal - all the tray icons disappear but
>|>| everything works unless I try to start a new program -
>|>| and it used to happen with the previous install as
>|>| well...).
>|>
>|> Did you do a fresh install? Is this a full Win98SE now?
>|
>| I tried the full 98SE but it was just ridiculous, it took
>| about 3 tries to get it installed. I could NOT believe it.
>|
>| Once it was installed, I found the shell intolerable (see
>| reply to Evan). So I wiped C and installed 98SELite which
>| was like spreading butter on a scone.
>
> If thats good enough for you, well, fine, BUT I wish you
> posted about it first.
I feel I have abused you guys enough, to be /quite/ honest.
And I /really/ can not stand the 98 shell and Active Desktop,
and I do not believe /both/ can be eliminated in any way but the
Lite program or its competitor (name escapes me) or possibly one
of 3 or (or 30) home-made solutions which have to do with the
shell. But I have used and had NO problems with the 98SE Lite
(Sleek, with the 95 shell, really the ONLY reason I use it!) so
I'd rather not play guinea pig with what may be a brilliantly
simple solution but what could also force me to follow the "Dan
C. advice".
> We could have pared down your
> Startup Group & had you do a Scandisk/Defrag, maybe.
BION, I know how to do those things
and I did them. I also
use Start Up Changer 2000. It was one of the first things to go
on the machine after the OS.
Also, perhaps I should clarify the stupid explorer error
happened ONLY after I installed Windows Make Up (no trace of it
or the author on the web) and has not a happened since. Nor was
an explorer error the reason for Lite, the damn shell and AD
were.
< One
> thing for sure to discontinue is that Task Scheduler, which
> could have been trying to do an auto-Scandisk/Defrag among
> other things in the background.
Hey, I may be stupid, but I have been tweaking 95 and 98 for
about 10 years! That's one of the first things to go, courtesy
Start Up Changer.
>|> Icons can disappear from the tray after Explorer is
>|> end-tasked, for instance from the Ctlr-Alt-Del Close
>|> Program box.
>|
>| WHY would I ever do that? AFAIK, it and systray HAVE to be
>| running!
>
> SysTray can be eliminated by refusing to start applications
> that use it, but most like to keep it. Explorer possibly
> can be eliminated by changing to a different shell in
> System.ini, [boot] section-- but you lose a good deal of
> functionality, including the START button!
I have searched and the ONLY thing that systray seems to
actually do has to do with power mgmt which I have turned off,
but if you C/S/D it, it's all over, IIRC.. I should look at it
with Dependency Walker now that I have actually had some
experience with it.
> No, I meant to say, Explorer could have crashed on its own
> & restarted. That would explain fewer icons in the Tray.
I don't know if it restarts - I get an "invalid page fault
message", icons disappear, sometimes nothing works except what
was already running and the message appears every time I try to
start anything, then sometimes I can even start new programs and
nothing hapens except I have no visible icons in systray. But I
/never/ thought (duuuh) of using Dep. Walker and the indication
of "wmuhook problem" would more than explain it since WMU
affects EVERY Windows window. And aside from the "growing pains"
kernel32.dll error 10 minutes after dumping WMU about 24 hrs
ago, everything has been perfect. TOO perfect in fact.
>|> Explorer immediately restarts, everything else
>|> continues to run-- but fewer icons will appear in the
>|> Tray. I believe the same effect can be seen after a
>|> log-off/log-on using the START button.
>| I use SSWT, a screen saver-shut off utility.
>
> I never Log on/off, either, but just use the default.
Just checked, SSWT has "Log Off", as well as the standard
"shutdown", "restart computer", "restart win95" (it's an old
program - "the older the better he say, the thanatoid"), "exit
to MS-DOS" and "help" and "cancel". I have tried "restart 95" a
couple of times although I ALWAYS used "restart computer" and I
see little difference although I vaguely recall there is a
differnce. I have never "logged off" since I do not have any
"log on" in the networks control panel. All I have is Intel 100
and TCP/IP. Maybe I could still "log off", but why tempt the
devil?
>|> It's possible "Windows Make-Up" was unable to
>|> re-establish its hook to Explorer, but that explorer
>|> originally crashed for a different reason. What is the
>|> last thing you did before the error happened? Anything to
>|> do with a "file open" box?
I can't remember, but pretty much anything has to do with
opening a box of some kind and WMU hooks its claws into that
function every time.
Since it IS an interesting program, I can post it for some of
you if you want to look at its guts. It's tiny. Let me know.
>|>
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/275543
>|> How to troubleshoot the "invalid page fault" error
>|> message
>|
>| Read it, useless - although MANY of their articles HAVE
>| helped me, as much as I hate to admit it.
>
> I was hoping you'd find some other problem among those
> write-ups that also applied. Then, by curing it, hopefully
> your own peculiarity would go away as well.
IIRC, none indicated "invalid page fault" at any time except
starting Windows or some *other /and/ specific* type of
circumstance...
>|> Anything in that article ring a bell? How about
>|> these...?...
>|>
>|>
http://support.microsoft.com/search/def ... ?mode=r&qu
>|> er
>|> y=EXPLORER+caused+an+invalid+page+fault+in+module+unknown&
>|> sp id=global&catalog=LCID%3D1033&1033comm=1&res=20
>|>
>|> That's everything the MSKB has for "EXPLORER caused an
>|> invalid page fault in module unknown". Do any of them
>|> also state a symptom you've experienced?
>|
>| Of course not. The hell I go through is my very own,
>| copyrighted and dongled, private computer hell, Grade A US
>| and ISO-9666 certified.
Did you notice the ISO number
?
AFAIK they HAVE to have 4 digits...
>| But since I deleted WMU, so far so good.
>
> Alright. I wanted to rule that out, but fine. I see MEB
> speaks of a way to make it work, if you want it back.
> Hypnosis may improve his memory-- but don't make him quack
> like a duck!
Well, MY memory must be just peachy since I see I already read
his post and I don't remember any
"way to make it work". I'll read it again.
Thanks for your time and patience.