Can I get the installed software to crossover?

[letterman]

I finally succeeded in installing Win2k as a dual boot on drive D:.
It was quite a nerve-wrecking process because it seems to take forever
to finally ask me what partition to put it on, and I was thinking it
was eating Win98 the whole time. (of course I backed up first). But
it finally installed and both work. I do need to work on the wording
in the dual (selector) since it says Windows or Windows 2000 Pro.
It should say Windows 98, and I hope to add a Dos selection in there.
I'm assuming this is some batch file. So far I just got it installed,
that's all.

Now, one problem occurred. It insisted that it would not read the
file ir50_32.dll off the installer CD. It said to hit enter to try
again. I hit enter at least 20 times, finally hit the ESC key and it
proceeded. It does work, so I dont know what that was all about.

Now the question of the day. Is there any way to transfer some of my
common programs so they work on BOTH operating systems? These would
mostly be Agent, and Firefox, and a few picture editors. Or do I need
to install these twice?

I did use a FAT32 partition, so I can access all the files.

Thanks

LM

[don phillipson]

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:trlrt4d3dr4g4m082svjae9bcr5bms3v3o@4ax.com...

> I finally succeeded in installing Win2k as a dual boot on drive D:.
> . . . Is there any way to transfer some of my
> common programs so they work on BOTH operating systems?

No: it cannot be done: no way exists of taking post-installation
keys from one Registry and transferring them into the
Registry of a different OS. Not least, differences in the OS
often mean that the same app requires FILE1 for Win98 and
a different FILE2 for the equivalent function in Win2k. You
must instal conventionally each app under each OS.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[dadioh]

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> I finally succeeded in installing Win2k as a dual boot on drive D:.
> It was quite a nerve-wrecking process because it seems to take forever
> to finally ask me what partition to put it on, and I was thinking it
> was eating Win98 the whole time. (of course I backed up first). But
> it finally installed and both work. I do need to work on the wording
> in the dual (selector) since it says Windows or Windows 2000 Pro.
> It should say Windows 98, and I hope to add a Dos selection in there.
> I'm assuming this is some batch file. So far I just got it installed,
> that's all.

It's an ini...boot.ini to be precise. Here's the content of mine:

[boot loader]
timeout=15
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="XP Main" /fastdetect
/NoExecute=OptOut
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP Basic" =optin /fastdetect
C:\="Windows 98"

The names - which are presented in the boot menu - can be easily edited with
Notepad et al as can the time for the boot menu to be displayed
(timeout=xx).

There are also a couple of other files on C: that were put there when you
installed Win2000. They do the actual loading of the OS, the boot.ini just
tells them which OS.
__________________

> Now the question of the day. Is there any way to transfer some of my
> common programs so they work on BOTH operating systems? These would
> mostly be Agent, and Firefox, and a few picture editors. Or do I need
> to install these twice?

About a year ago I set up Win XP as a dual boot with my already installed
Win 98SE. I have 100s of programs on the Win 98 drive, very few on the XP.
There are many Win98 programs that I rarely use but so far have only found
2-3 that won't run via XP.

Here's my take and experience copied form another recent query in another
forum. I didn't "transfer" mine, just run from where they are were
installed with or without a new shortcut in the second OS:

Some - most, probably - will run. (FYI, Firefox is one that does)

Some that will run won't do so until you enter any necessary registration
key.

Those that run and need registry entries from the install registry will
create them in the new registry.

The ones that won't run will usually complain of a missing file. That file
can be copied from the old OS to the new one.

Some you may have to install again...try them first and see.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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[letterman]

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:44:35 -0400, "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com>
wrote:

>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>> I finally succeeded in installing Win2k as a dual boot on drive D:.
>> It was quite a nerve-wrecking process because it seems to take forever
>> to finally ask me what partition to put it on, and I was thinking it
>> was eating Win98 the whole time. (of course I backed up first). But
>> it finally installed and both work. I do need to work on the wording
>> in the dual (selector) since it says Windows or Windows 2000 Pro.
>> It should say Windows 98, and I hope to add a Dos selection in there.
>> I'm assuming this is some batch file. So far I just got it installed,
>> that's all.
>
>It's an ini...boot.ini to be precise. Here's the content of mine:
>
>[boot loader]
>timeout=15
>default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS
>[operating systems]
>multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="XP Main" /fastdetect
>/NoExecute=OptOut
>multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP Basic" =optin /fastdetect
>C:\="Windows 98"
>
>The names - which are presented in the boot menu - can be easily edited with
>Notepad et al as can the time for the boot menu to be displayed
>(timeout=xx).
>
>There are also a couple of other files on C: that were put there when you
>installed Win2000. They do the actual loading of the OS, the boot.ini just
>tells them which OS.
>__________________
>
>> Now the question of the day. Is there any way to transfer some of my
>> common programs so they work on BOTH operating systems? These would
>> mostly be Agent, and Firefox, and a few picture editors. Or do I need
>> to install these twice?
>
>About a year ago I set up Win XP as a dual boot with my already installed
>Win 98SE. I have 100s of programs on the Win 98 drive, very few on the XP.
>There are many Win98 programs that I rarely use but so far have only found
>2-3 that won't run via XP.
>
>Here's my take and experience copied form another recent query in another
>forum. I didn't "transfer" mine, just run from where they are were
>installed with or without a new shortcut in the second OS:
>
>Some - most, probably - will run. (FYI, Firefox is one that does)
>
>Some that will run won't do so until you enter any necessary registration
>key.
>
>Those that run and need registry entries from the install registry will
>create them in the new registry.
>
>The ones that won't run will usually complain of a missing file. That file
>can be copied from the old OS to the new one.
>
>Some you may have to install again...try them first and see.

Thanks for the help with the boot.ini.
I just found it on C:
That should be easy enough to fix.

I'll have to see what I can do with the programs. I'm sure Agent will
be pretty easy to transfer over, because I've moved it numerous times
in 98 to other partitions and at one point I had several usable
installations of it when I had another newgroup provider. Seems it
just made me reinstall the registration number and that was about all.
Of course I just use an older version of it which is simple. I really
dont plan to use Win2k to connect to the internet, I just want to be
able to access Agent so when someone replies to a question (like this
message), I can read the replies from within Win2k, and follow the
directions.

I still have a screen issue with 2K. It's leaving an inch of black
space on each side of the picture (desktop). I think it's the monitor
HERTZ selector. How do I know which one to select?

What gets me, is that I have the original harddrive that came with
this computer which came with Win2K completely installed with other
software and all the settings set up for this computer, as well as
programs for it. If I unplug all my HDs, and plug in that HD, it
works well. I'm kind of wordering if I did a backup of that
installation, could I restore it into this new one and have everything
ready to go? Of course I'm taking the backup from C: which is NTFS
and putting it to D: which is Fat32. So maybe none of that will work.
It came with licensed AV software and other stuff that would be be
great to be able to use. I did copy "Program Files" but I know it
takes more than that.

Thanks

LM

[letterman]

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:02:33 -0400, "MEB" <MEB@not@here> wrote:

>Try importing your DBX/account entries from 98 into the applicable program
>in 2K.
>
>--
>~

How do I do that ??????
You lost me on this one.......

Thanks

LM


PS. I don know why my messages are coming thru numerous times? It's
apparently a system screwup from my ISP or news server????

[thanatoid]

letterman@invalid.com wrote in
news:trlrt4d3dr4g4m082svjae9bcr5bms3v3o@4ax.com:

<SNIP>

> Now the question of the day. Is there any way to transfer
> some of my common programs so they work on BOTH operating
> systems? These would mostly be Agent, and Firefox, and a
> few picture editors. Or do I need to install these twice?
>
> I did use a FAT32 partition, so I can access all the files.

Programs which do NOT employ an install routine (usually free or
cheap utilities often better than $300 programs) and the
occasional program which DOES use an install routine but does
nothing except install stuff in its own directory (and perhaps
use a file like msvbvm60.dll which is on most computers already)
can often be run from another OS with no problems without a
reinstall.

[letterman]

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:22:08 -0400, "MEB" <MEB@not@here> wrote:

>
> Install *whatever* application and see if it has an import function. Direct
>that to the 9X installation and the application's areas there.
> You might be required to first setup the EXACT account [user/password/etc.]
>used in 9X prior to import.
> I haven't used Agent for years so I really can't properly advise, these are
>old techniques, hence the TRY aspect.
>
Well, I'm running Agent right now from Win2K. I just clicked on it
and it worked. It saved my registration numbers, but if I'm not
mistaken, they are saved in a file inside the Agent folder. The only
thing different is the colors I normally use are showing up as the
default colors, which is no biggie.

> The doubled/multiple post sometimes comes from attempting to
>upload/download messages, an error or reset occurs causing re-sends, hence
>doubled messages, OR you use multiple posting/reading servers, and actual
>multiple posts are sent, sometimes due to time synchronization issues...
>
>--
>~

I'm not sure what to say about these doubled posts because AIOE
normally has a hissy fit if I attempt to send a message twice, even if
I do something like send it to this newsgroup, then later try to send
the same message to (example) "alt.windows.2000". So I can only
assume they are having problems, which is not uncommon.

[letterman]

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:02:33 -0400, "MEB" <MEB@not@here> wrote:

>Try importing your DBX/account entries from 98 into the applicable program
>in 2K.
>
>--
>~

How do I do that ??????
You lost me on this one.......

Thanks

LM


PS. I don know why my messages are coming thru numerous times? It's
apparently a system screwup from my ISP or news server????

["j. p. gilliver]

In message <OYW#qyQuJHA.4068@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, Don Phillipson
<e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> writes:
><letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:trlrt4d3dr4g4m082svjae9bcr5bms3v3o@4ax.com...
>
>> I finally succeeded in installing Win2k as a dual boot on drive D:.
>> . . . Is there any way to transfer some of my
>> common programs so they work on BOTH operating systems?
>
>No: it cannot be done: no way exists of taking post-installation
>keys from one Registry and transferring them into the
>Registry of a different OS. Not least, differences in the OS
>often mean that the same app requires FILE1 for Win98 and
>a different FILE2 for the equivalent function in Win2k. You
>must instal conventionally each app under each OS.
>
Agreed. Though it MIGHT be possible to make them use the same data
files: you mentioned Agent and Firefox. It _might_ be possible to have
FF share the profile (especially if you use the same _version_ on the
two OSs; even if you don't, it might be possible to share some things,
like the bookmark list). For Agent, it _might_ be possible to make both
use common news and mail files: you need an Agent expert.
--
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** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

a speaking style that suggests a dyslexic cockney Yoda - Craig McLean on Nigel
Kennedy (violinist), in RT 12-18 July 2008

[pcr]

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> I finally succeeded in installing Win2k as a dual boot on drive D:.
> It was quite a nerve-wrecking process because it seems to take forever
> to finally ask me what partition to put it on, and I was thinking it
> was eating Win98 the whole time. (of course I backed up first). But
> it finally installed and both work. I do need to work on the wording
> in the dual (selector) since it says Windows or Windows 2000 Pro.
> It should say Windows 98, and I hope to add a Dos selection in there.
> I'm assuming this is some batch file. So far I just got it installed,
> that's all.
>
> Now, one problem occurred. It insisted that it would not read the
> file ir50_32.dll off the installer CD. It said to hit enter to try
> again. I hit enter at least 20 times, finally hit the ESC key and it
> proceeded. It does work, so I dont know what that was all about.

Well, that ir50_32.dll seems to do with video, & later in this thread
(to dadiOH) you reported...

> I still have a screen issue with 2K. It's leaving an inch of black
> space on each side of the picture (desktop). I think it's the monitor
> HERTZ selector. How do I know which one to select?

There seem to be several sites claiming to have a fix...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=<a href="https://www.dll-files.com/ir50_32.dll.html

Maybe try one, before trying a transfer of the original Win2K back onto
that machine. But make sure you get a fix that applies to Win2K.

> Now the question of the day. Is there any way to transfer some of my
> common programs so they work on BOTH operating systems? These would
> mostly be Agent, and Firefox, and a few picture editors. Or do I need
> to install these twice?
>
> I did use a FAT32 partition, so I can access all the files.
>
> Thanks
>
> LM

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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[letterman]

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:45:48 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>> I finally succeeded in installing Win2k as a dual boot on drive D:.
>> It was quite a nerve-wrecking process because it seems to take forever
>> to finally ask me what partition to put it on, and I was thinking it
>> was eating Win98 the whole time. (of course I backed up first). But
>> it finally installed and both work. I do need to work on the wording
>> in the dual (selector) since it says Windows or Windows 2000 Pro.
>> It should say Windows 98, and I hope to add a Dos selection in there.
>> I'm assuming this is some batch file. So far I just got it installed,
>> that's all.
>>
>> Now, one problem occurred. It insisted that it would not read the
>> file ir50_32.dll off the installer CD. It said to hit enter to try
>> again. I hit enter at least 20 times, finally hit the ESC key and it
>> proceeded. It does work, so I dont know what that was all about.
>
>Well, that ir50_32.dll seems to do with video, & later in this thread
>(to dadiOH) you reported...
>

Yes, I looked that up myself. I copied the file from the original
installation and put it where it belongs.

>> I still have a screen issue with 2K. It's leaving an inch of black
>> space on each side of the picture (desktop). I think it's the monitor
>> HERTZ selector. How do I know which one to select?
>
>There seem to be several sites claiming to have a fix...
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ir ... h&aq=f&oq=

I did fix it. It was the monitor hertz settings. It was something
like 75 and I had to lower it to 60 (something like that). I just
tried monitor settings till it worked.
>
>Maybe try one, before trying a transfer of the original Win2K back onto
>that machine. But make sure you get a fix that applies to Win2K.
>
Although I really would like to transfer the original Win2k, I dont
think it would work right because it was on C:, and now has to be on
D: Plus the original was NTFS and I have Fat32. The reason I'd like
to copy it, is because it came with this computer and came with a
bunch of other software, some I'd like to use, especially the Pctools
Antivirus and a few graphic programs. I did copy all the stuff from
program files/folders to my program files but most of the stuff wont
work. I know it's registry and probably some DLLs and other stuff in
the Windows dir. If I knew which DLLs, I could copy them, but it's
the registry stuff that is the problem.

When I got the computer I never really even used the installation. I
just put in my win98 harddrive from my old computer, installed a few
drivers for this system, and went about my work. So that original is
a clean install, aside from playing with it a little and changing some
desktop settings and wallpapers.


>> Now the question of the day. Is there any way to transfer some of my
>> common programs so they work on BOTH operating systems? These would
>> mostly be Agent, and Firefox, and a few picture editors. Or do I need
>> to install these twice?
>>
>> I did use a FAT32 partition, so I can access all the files.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> LM

[pcr]

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:45:48 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>>> I finally succeeded in installing Win2k as a dual boot on drive D:.
>>> It was quite a nerve-wrecking process because it seems to take
>>> forever to finally ask me what partition to put it on, and I was
>>> thinking it was eating Win98 the whole time. (of course I backed
>>> up first). But it finally installed and both work. I do need to
>>> work on the wording in the dual (selector) since it says Windows or
>>> Windows 2000 Pro.
>>> It should say Windows 98, and I hope to add a Dos selection in
>>> there. I'm assuming this is some batch file. So far I just got it
>>> installed, that's all.
>>>
>>> Now, one problem occurred. It insisted that it would not read the
>>> file ir50_32.dll off the installer CD. It said to hit enter to try
>>> again. I hit enter at least 20 times, finally hit the ESC key and
>>> it proceeded. It does work, so I dont know what that was all about.
>>
>>Well, that ir50_32.dll seems to do with video, & later in this thread
>>(to dadiOH) you reported...
>>
>
> Yes, I looked that up myself. I copied the file from the original
> installation and put it where it belongs.

Good. I don't know about W2K, but in Win98 that file is also mentioned
once in System.ini & 13 times in the Registry. However, I guess you are
fine now, if the black space is gone.

>>> I still have a screen issue with 2K. It's leaving an inch of black
>>> space on each side of the picture (desktop). I think it's the
>>> monitor HERTZ selector. How do I know which one to select?
>>
>>There seem to be several sites claiming to have a fix...
>>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ir ... +Search&aq
=f&oq=
>
> I did fix it. It was the monitor hertz settings. It was something
> like 75 and I had to lower it to 60 (something like that). I just
> tried monitor settings till it worked.

All right, then. Very good.

>>
>>Maybe try one, before trying a transfer of the original Win2K back
>>onto that machine. But make sure you get a fix that applies to Win2K.
>>
> Although I really would like to transfer the original Win2k, I dont
> think it would work right because it was on C:, and now has to be on
> D: Plus the original was NTFS and I have Fat32. The reason I'd like
> to copy it, is because it came with this computer and came with a
> bunch of other software, some I'd like to use, especially the Pctools
> Antivirus and a few graphic programs. I did copy all the stuff from
> program files/folders to my program files but most of the stuff wont
> work. I know it's registry and probably some DLLs and other stuff in
> the Windows dir. If I knew which DLLs, I could copy them, but it's
> the registry stuff that is the problem.

I would be sorely tempted to delete all the files of the FAT32 W2K
partition & copy all the files of the NTFS partition into it. (Then,
maybe delete any boot files -- like the Boot.ini -- from that
partition -- IF they interfere with the ones in your Win98 partition.
But I'm not sure that they would interfere.) If this fails to work, you
can always get back to where you were by repeating your initial effort.

As Blanton was saying in another thread, W2K doesn't care what drive
letter it has. Just to be careful, maybe use Win2K's RegEdit or
equivalent to change any C:\ to D:\ in the Registry. Have a look inside
any .ini's maybe as well. Or get something like COA2 to do it for you. I
posted something about that in a different thread.

Alternatively, delete the FAT32 W2K partition & replace it with the NTFS
partition. HOWEVER...

(a) You may need to shrink it first to fit.
(b) Win98 will not be able to see NTFS.
It will be invisible when you boot Win98!

> When I got the computer I never really even used the installation. I
> just put in my win98 harddrive from my old computer, installed a few
> drivers for this system, and went about my work. So that original is
> a clean install, aside from playing with it a little and changing some
> desktop settings and wallpapers.
>
>
>>> Now the question of the day. Is there any way to transfer some of
>>> my common programs so they work on BOTH operating systems? These
>>> would mostly be Agent, and Firefox, and a few picture editors. Or
>>> do I need to install these twice?
>>>
>>> I did use a FAT32 partition, so I can access all the files.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> LM

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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